Monday, May 17, 2010

What makes a person want to learn Muay Thai, Karate, dojo, Taekwondo, Aikodo, boxing,Etc?

I don%26#039;t like Martials Arts like Muay Thai, Karate,dojo, Taekwondo, Aikodo, boxing,Etc. I don%26#039;t have anything against them the reason I don%26#039;t like them is because they focus too much on techniques so in my opinion they are not good in my definition. A good martial art need to have theories and principles. Which the Arts that I have listed above don%26#039;t have (Muay Thai, Karate,dojo, Taekwondo, Aikodo, boxing) and just focus on catalog of techniques. Most people who take those martial arts will thinking like I will learn 30 techniques in 30 days. OK, but how many and which techniques will they using? Even three techniques is too much for your mind. The best techniques in martial arts is no technique.Do you need to know how to punch to clock someone.You just clock them right? To achieve a high level one should focus on %26quot;techniques to no technique%26quot;, %26quot;method to no method%26quot;, %26quot;strategy to no strategy%26quot;, %26quot;Form to no form%26quot;.


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This is not to offend anyone.|||I will have to say that my Taekwondo school is one of the best.


I have already received a red stripe for my belt. And I have only been into Taekwondo 2 days and I know from level 1 to level 2.


If you don%26#039;t like it than why talk about it. Most of the martial arts people really enjoy doing it.|||Listening to most of the answers on Yahoo, it sounds like most are wanting to kick ***.





Especially the MMA fans.|||if you are not that crazy about those styles try jeet kun do.The style of self defense bruce lee invented.(Sorry about the spelling)there are soo many style to choose from.pick the one that best suites you|||Well look man, techniques and principal go hand in hand, YES if you get the principal down you are more flexible and can come up with your own techniques on the sport but techniques are important too, you cant practice principals and your not always going to be on your top game so you should have some well practiced techniques that you can use in your tool belt, No one in those styles think technique - technique -technique, its more like your flowing with the opponent for the set up and the bang! explode with a punch to the ribs, so the principal is used to open the person up for your technique





I have no idea what you train in since i dont know many arts except maby some kung fu which only picks principals, most styles have techniques, they have many so people with different styles of fighting and different body shapes will be able to choose out their favorite ones and use them, many people create their own techniques after a while in all the arts you stated, because as you fight you learn yourself what works and what doesnt work, its the same in BJJ the same in Judo, somethings work for you some dont, some need to be eddited a little, the moves are there as examples and as proven techniques that come from principals, principals of how the body moves, phsycology of your opponent, the environment and so on, so i dont like to say it but you are wrong about those styles being ONLY technique, not the good schools anyway





Every martial art is like picking up a woman right, first you learn some pickup lines and think your real cool and go out there aproaching girls, then you find what works and what doesnt and slowly get the confidence to come up with your own pickup lines on the spot, but you still have those lines that you learned which work to use if your drunk or something :D|||That is the ultimate goal. Bruce Lee once said no technique is better than technique but that is for the Masters not for the beginner or intermediate fighters. One has to start from the bottom so in the beginning you need technique.|||It seems like you are making a statement than asking an question. You should look into Jeet kune do, which does not focus on a technique or style, i am sure you heard of the founder Bruce Lee especially since most of your statement sounds like a Bruce Lee quote. A self defence martial art like aikido is different, let me share a quote of the founder:


%26quot;The universe is a limtless sphere with a limitless radius.


The universe is an infinite gathering of infintely small particles. The universe is constantly moving and changing.%26quot;Within the techniques lies the art of marial arts, especially in Qi or chi energy. You need to understand and perform the fundamentals before you get to the art and that takes dicipline. Even Bruce Lee understood that and preached that. he was a master of several forms of Kung fu before he came up with jeet kune do and the simplicity of movement. Dojo is not a martial art, but a place to practice the art and train. I suggest you learn about the forms you say you don%26#039;t like before you judge and tell someone what they should focus on. I am not offended by ignorance but by those who choose not to learn. Knowledge is power.|||muay thai and boxing do have theories and principles as do the other martial arts you listed.





%26quot;techniques to no technique%26quot;, %26quot;method to no method%26quot;, %26quot;strategy to no strategy%26quot;, %26quot;Form to no form%26quot; -That sounds like an ill prepared person going into a fight. Which will bring me to a question - why learn a martial art than?





for techniques(i will also put form around the same place here) i will agree that for MA like aikido you are taught so many techniques. But how many of them can you remebr? but than again after you have done a lot, it all seems familiar. what Im also trying to say is, to a layman or any MA initiate, to clock the guy you just have to think about clocking him. but thats only if you can. Technique plays a part. It helps you get to his head/face. Proper form helps make it effective.





strategy to no strategy i understand is how to fight without thinking too much about the game plan right? going with the flow? every martial art has their own theory to reach this stage - muscle memory or be it an instilled 2nd nature etc. but for some others you do need a game plan to a certain or if not greater extent.





method to no method you cant just clock a guy by willing it. He isnt a punching bag even if you imagine a big PLS HIT ME sign on his forehead. he moves and if you have no method to hit him, just a blind punch. chances are he can evade or block and give you a nice counter.





what I%26#039;m saying is Muay Thai, Karate, dojo, Taekwondo, Aikodo, boxing all teach theories and principles. it is up to the individual to embrace it. as you have embraced %26quot;techniques to no technique%26quot;, %26quot;method to no method%26quot;, %26quot;strategy to no strategy%26quot;, %26quot;Form to no form%26quot;.|||Well, for best defensive purposes i would say to just carry a gun because hey im pretty sure a bullet to the head would do alot more damage than any of those martials arts could.|||for me only i started because of fitness and its interesting|||muscle memory %26gt; making your own moves





If you are trying to figure out how to throw a punch, and you%26#039;re fighting a boxer, you are going to get hit in the face.|||( What makes a person want to learn Muay Thai, Karate, dojo, Taekwondo, Aikodo, boxing,Etc? )





Shadow_Law_Leader: It%26#039;s great exercise, and only a old man or someone out of shape that can%26#039;t fight or defend himself would make a comment like that, and this is not to offend anyone. Are you crazy or something ?? Boxing %26amp; Martial Arts is no different than basketball, or baseball. You do it to see who%26#039;s better, and try to gain a victory. Don%26#039;t you know anything about sports, and competition ??





( Do you need to know how to punch to clock someone.You just clock them right? )





Shadow_Law_Leader: Were you born walking, and knowing everything about life, or did you have to learn ??|||wait, i have a question. How can someone learn dojo|||This sounds similar to Bruce Lee鈥檚 martial art philosophy; that one should react instinctively without form. It sounds good in theory, but it fails in practicality. Lee said he had no form or style, and yet he constantly used the techniques used by martial art styles. It is similar to a religion saying it is non-denominational; but this belief in itself is a denomination.





To run, you do not need to learn a technique for running or a method of running; you can just run. However, if you want to be an effective runner, then you need to learn to run properly. Children learn to speak instinctively, but they must be trained to speak coherently. If angered, children will attack instinctively with closed fists, but they must be trained to fight effectively. When it comes to fighting skills, anything is better than nothing, but some things are better than others.





In a self-defense situation, who would probably be left standing at the end, the person who relied only upon instincts, or the person who had trained in the techniques and methods of some fighting style? When fighting, it is true that one should not have a preconceived plan; one should be trained in a vast repertoire of techniques and skills and then use instinctively the techniques or skills that are appropriate to the situation. If a person can only process three possible techniques or scenarios in his or her mind at one time, then that person should not enter a fight, or play chess.





The more skilled the person, the more the person鈥檚 actions become instinctive. Beginning drivers think about applying the brake, skilled drivers brake without thinking about it but they may over or under brake, but highly skilled race drivers apply the brake instinctively in the precise amount required, even while they are performing other tasks. The same applies to martial artists. When sparring, beginners think about what technique to use, while skilled fighters react instinctively to the situation. A master is able to spar instinctively using the precise amount of force required, even while talking to students.





You have two ways to become an effective fighter, you can train in proven effective fighting techniques and methods, or you can fight everyday and learn from experience what is effective and ineffective. The former can be fun; the later can be painful.|||what u said about just clocking someone is true u just do it but for it to just come to u, u have got to know technique an be comfortable with it so that it come natural an that%26#039;s y we spend SO much time on technique because the more natural it comes to u the better an most of all it depends on the school not the style luckily i was able to find a great tkd school|||Let me start by giving an example of a %26quot;technique.%26quot;





Straight Punch: Start by curling your fingers into a tight ball and curl the thumb over the second joint of the first two fingers so that the thumb is not on the striking surface.





As you extend your arm, focus on hitting with the first two knuckles.





This is a pretty basic technique, but it%26#039;s still a technique. You can go and do whatever type of punch you want, but there are people out there that have no concept of how to punch. If you just %26quot;clock%26quot; someone, you%26#039;ll break your hand.





So, if you study a %26quot;system%26quot; with no technique, what are you really studying? Even Bruce Lee would teach someone the technique of punching (how to form a fist, the hand moves before the body, etc) before teaching the %26quot;chain punch%26quot; technique. You may be right that a LOT of techniques are wasted, but the foundational how-to techniques are necessary to avoid injury, even in a %26quot;real%26quot; situation.





I think what you are concerned more about is the typical one-step sparring, no resistance training that most schools utilize. That%26#039;s a real problem when you have to use it, but isn%26#039;t wasted time. You can learn how to apply techniques against a cooperative partner, as long as you test them against a resisting partner (how do you think Bruce Lee utilized boxing and fencing movement in Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do?).





I guess I%26#039;m not quite sure what you have against arts that are proven effective (Muay Thai, Boxing, etc).

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